Welcome

Welcome to the Thornham St John’s Neighbourhood Forum website.

We created our forum because we share a common purpose and objective to protect and enhance our neighbourhood and to make it an area that is vibrant, socially inclusive, and generally the greenest, safest place to live, work and play that it can possibly be.

Forum members are individuals who either live, work or regularly pursue leisure activities (walking, horse riding, cycling, ornithology, fishing, etc.) in the Slattocks/Stakehill and surrounding area. Members of the forum are all connected to the daily life of the neighbourhood and are keen that any changes in the area are beneficial to all.

If you support our aim then please do tell us what you think to help make the Thornham St John’s neighbourhood the best possible place it can be.

There’s no fee, no commitment and no onus on you to do anything. All we ask is that you share our vision of making Thornham St John’s neighbourhood a great place to live, work and play!

The importance of Green Belt in combating air pollution

The GMCA’s ‘Greater Manchester’s Plan for Homes, Jobs and the Environment’, commonly known as the Greater Manchester Spatial Framework which was out for public consultation earlier in 2019, promotes a vision for ‘clean air and a flourishing natural environment’. This is one of many aspirations stated in the document, couched in fluffy political language, which directly conflicts with the GMCA’s primary ambition to offer up swathes of our local greenbelt to developers and land speculators. Reducing the green space around our towns will increase air pollution, putting the health and wellbeing of local people at higher risk of lung and heart disease.

Reducing the green space around our towns will increase air pollution

The 152 roads in Greater Manchester that breach air pollution levels. The data doesn’t include motorways!

We’ve contacted The British Lung Foundation (BLF) who have offered to supply us some air quality monitors. This will allow us to measure air pollution levels near our busiest roads and particularly those that are close to schools and community centres.

More evidence is emerging around the detrimental effects of air pollution: a study (published last year in the journal ‘Circulation’ www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.118.034856)
reports an association between lower levels of air pollution (small particulate matter and nitrogen dioxide) and changes to the structure of the heart in people who did not have pre-existing heart disease. This adds to the growing evidence of the damaging effects of ambient pollution even in the setting of relatively low exposure levels. The authors recommend that ‘efforts to reduce air pollutant emission should be prioritised in public health initiatives and legislative measures’.

Taking any areas out of our local Greenbelt
will only make air pollution, and our health, worse!

This is particularly relevant to young children and their long-term health.

https://bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-50096818

Further info:

https://www.citymetric.com/transport/manchester-doing-enough-fight-its-air-pollution-crisis-4695

https://cleanairgm.com/clean-air-plan

Experts give their verdict on the rewritten GMSF

At the recent Breathing Space conference in Manchester, organised by the Save Greater Manchester’s Greenbelt (SGMGB) group, no one was left in any doubt that the GMSF rewrite does not go anywhere far enough in taking into account many people’s concerns, particularly about the Greenbelt.

Andy Burnham and the ten local Councils comprising the Greater Manchester Combined Authorities (GMCA) are not meeting residents’ expectations – in protecting Greenbelt; having a ‘Brownfield First’ policy; and in truly taking on-board people’s concerns about the future on their communities.

Despite the glossy brochure rhetoric, they don’t seem to be listening to what people have said in response to the first nor second consultation.

So the Greenbelt Groups across Manchester have tried to emphasise where Andy and his team, and the system they’re working with, have gone wrong and can really make a positive difference.

The Breathing Space conference saw presentations on: Clean air; Public participation in planning; Planning and land speculators; and What makes a viable neighbourhood.

Whilst all the experts gave excellent presentations, we were particularly impressed by Dr Quintin Bradley’s presentation ‘Planning and land speculators’. Dr Bradley powerfully highlighted how the current planning system is stacked against ordinary people and the local councils in favour of the developers:

‘a planning regime intended to increase the supply of housing has actually doubled the length of time taken to build houses, created a new market in land speculation, incentivised housebuilders not to build, and forced local authorities to allocate more than twice as much land as actually needed for housing’.

Some of the headlines from the presentations are:

  • Bring forward the day when we can all breathe clean air with healthy lungs
    (Sue Huyton – British Lung Foundation)
  • 152 roads in GM are above legal air pollution levels and motorways are not included in this.
  • 1200 early deaths have been attributed to poor air quality in GM.
  • Poor air quality costs GMCA £1 billion per annum due to health issues.
  • Air pollution increases by 112% next to a construction site for houses.
  • Public participation in planning: smoke, mirrors and charades? (Dr Paul O’Hare – MMU)
  • How planners approach public participation, and how they are getting it wrong
  • Help! The town planning system has been captured by land speculators: the five year land supply and the Housing Delivery Test (Dr Quintin Bradley – Leeds Beckett University)
  • What was once known as land banking has now been renamed as a ‘housing supply pipeline’.
  • A whole new middle industry has now emerged called site promotion which gets a landowner outline planning on greenbelt. The promoter takes a % fee for land sale with planning permission. Many never turn into new homes.
  • Agricultural land worth £25K per hectare will typically increase in value to £5.6M per hectare once residential planning permission is granted.
  • Housebuilders deliberately restrict build-out rates in order to starve the market of new houses so that land prices inflate and new house prices remain high.
  • Over 1 million homes given detailed planning permission over the 11 year period to 2017 were never actually built.
  • Housing developers are now taking twice as long to produce completions to market: from 2 years to 4.
  • 90 % of planning applications for housing get approved, and this includes appeals.
  • Most appeals are now won by housing developers disproving that a local council hasn’t got a 5 year supply of land which is manipulated to suit in some cases.
  • Vital and Viable Neighbourhoods
    (Dr Steve Millington & Professor Cathy Parker – Institute of Place Management)
  • Local markets are often an essential component of successful town centres, encouraging local enterprise.
  • People like pedestrianisation and car-free zones.
  • Town centres need to be mixed use (not just retail) with an evening economy.
  • Harpurhey is seen as a model of successful co-location of key public amenities with retail and community-led partnerships.

Both the Thornham St John’s Neighbourhood Forum and SOS-Save Our Slattocks Greenbelt Group will take what we’ve learned from the conference and continue to campaign to save the Greenbelt and oppose inappropriate development

Landowners & Developers plans for the local Greenbelt

Many Landowners and Developers sent in comments to the second GMSF Consultation [Jan-March 2019]

Those relating directly to the Thornham St John’s Neighbourhood Area and others located close to our community are listed below.

It should be stressed that these are just proposals, and
no planning applications relating to them have been lodged at the time of writing.

Below are links to each of these proposals:

GMSF Consultation [Jan-March 2019]- Find your comments

Following the second GMSF Consultation all the responses have been published.
If you submitted comments to the consultation you should have received an email or letter from the GMCA thanking you.
In this they will have given you a link containing a unique number through which you can search their spreadsheet for your comments.

The link below will take you to the ‘GMSF Responses’ web page and give you instructions on how to search for your comments, and those of the 17,000+ people who also wanted to make sure their voice was being heard.

Here’s the link to the GMSF Responses web page:

Responses to GMSF Consultation [Jan-Mar 2019]

Developer REDROW show their plans for GM2-Stakehill*

Redrow Homes has produced a glossy PR document as part of their comments to the recent GMSF Consultation (Jan-Mar 2019).
The indicative masterplan for what they call the ‘Manchester Road Development’ uses information from the GMSF documentation to show how they might develop the site.
Showing the All In One Garden Centre as its way in from the main road, they demonstrate how they could use the whole area behind Thornham Cricket Club and St John’s Thornham Church, stretching to Thornham New Road, the M62, and A627M.

At this stage of the GMSF plan, Redrow have decided its time to show their hand and how serious they are in wanting to got hold of this large chunk of local Greenbelt.

Whoever wrote this Development Statement
obviously used online and out of date information
and probably didn’t set foot in Slattocks

There are lots of error and mistakes. We’ll leave you to spot them.

  • The whole of the Redrow document, showing other sites across Greater Manchester they wish to develop can be found on the GMCA website

GMSF – Consultation (Jan-March ’19)

Summary – (Published October 2019)

Of particular interest is the section on GM2: Stakehill (pages 81 – 84) and ‘New Sites Submitted’ (page 282 – Rochdale)

Click the link below

GMSF Consultation Summary

Detail of Responses/Comments

Take a look at the spreadsheet below to check that your comments were included in the consultation.

Alternatively, click the link below:

GMSF-responses

Delay announced next GMSF Consultation

The Greater Manchester Combined Authorities (GMCA) which is made of the 10 Greater Manchester Councils, including Rochdale, have now analysed and published the results of the GMSF Consultation (held Jan-March 2019).

Many residents from Slattocks and Stakehill sent in comments on the 2nd draft of the proposals.

Out of some 51 separate allocations/sites, our local allocation, GM Allocation 2: Stakehill, had the ninth highest number of comments, some 982.

This shows the strength of feeling amongst the local community in wanting a ‘have a say’ in the future of the area.

The GMCA publicity statement can be seen at the link below.

GMCA Statement

Results of the Consultation (Jan-March 2019)

“The proposed site allocation policies generated a significant number of responses with most focusing on loss of Green Belt”

The above quote is directly from the Report and reinforces just how much people across Greater Manchester feel about the plans.

Clicking the link below will take you to the GMSF report for September 2019.
Then go to Page 73

GMSF Report